UPDATE: NASA Shares UAP Independent Study Report

UPDATE: NASA Shares UAP Independent Study Report; Names Director

You have fallen into avent horizon.
with John Michael going in.
In today’s special episode.
John is joined by David Spurgo.
David Spurgo is the president of the Simmons Foundation.
Through the center of computational astrophysics at the Flatiron Institute.
he continues
his research interests which range from the search for planets around nearby stars to measuring
the shape of the universe.
Using microwave background observations from the Wilkinson.
microwave and isotope probe.
And the Atocama Cosmology Telescope.
David and his colleagues have measured the age.
shape.
and composition of the universe.
He currently co-chairs the science team for the Roman Space Telescape.
Dr.
David purgo.
welcome to the program.
Let’s do it again.
Dr.
David Spurgo was the press conference.
resulting in the first century of the methodology
on how NASA might use its resources to search for UAP and add to the greater governmental probe
into the phenomenon.
Now.
could you give us an overview of what assets NASA has that we could use?
Because it struck me.
I was looking at it thinking.
well.
the satellites may not be all that useful
because their science satellites are not really designed for this or calibrated for it.
So what do we have?
In some ways.
the most valuable thing NASA has is scientific methodology.
It’s understanding that when you don’t understand a problem.
you want to collect data.
I’ll calibrate it.
You want the data to be.
you want to understand the instruments that make the measurements.
you want the multiple sets of data.
and the ability to verify and have it dependent on.
Now.
our satellite’s monitoring.
here are the monitoring space that are optimized to
the launch swars of the planet.
not to study in detail at a below.
It doesn’t have the spatial resolution to do it.
But we recommend it for NASA to do is to really take advantage of the fact that it is a agency
that advocates a scientific method that focuses on openness and uses and bring that to the problem.
And so most of the time.
many of them collected.
say.
from a military engine.
And the objective of a military is not to decide to take a study.
And in fact.
any image taken by an F-16 is classified because they don’t want to reveal details of the camera.
It doesn’t matter what’s in the image.
Now.
NASA has a program of collecting open data and that’s keeping things available.
So.
we talked about serving as a place that would collect misestinatical play.
report from pilots.
and the educators that they consider developing and releasing a crowdsourcing app.
So.
if people see something.
they take data.
They record images.
I mean.
we’re all used to these really fuzzy images of UFOs.
And yet.
today.
we’re all carrying around private resolution.
You know.
I’ll literally hide quality cameras on our phones.
And you can imagine collecting images of an event from multiple angles.
multiple people.
You’ll be able to observe a lot of these accelerations and figure out what’s going on in the typical event.
I anticipate most of the time that we’ll have conventional explanations.
But if there’s something unusual of exciting.
you’ll learn this by collecting the data.
And I think this is also an opportunity for NASA to engage in.
into the components.
which is if you have something you don’t understand.
It’s not a mystery.
it’s not a conspiracy.
What you want to do with collect data.
And that’s.
in many ways.
are overall messages that we report.
Now.
with satellite constellations such as Starlink.
just the enormous amounts of satellite coverage over
the surface of the Earth in a through a public means.
can those be used or be made to be useful
in the search?
I don’t think Starlink is so much as I understand it.
using it primarily for different navigation GPS.
But we do have a number of commercial and sometimes you’ll use imaging data collected.
And some of that could potentially be used.
I mean.
I think we’ve seen the quality of that imaging from some of the press releases of public releases
associated with say events in Ukraine.
So I think that is another central resource.
And the resource that NASA has that we talk to somewhat about the end of the report is.
you know.
the idea that we can look for technology.
because this is the way to call the finances.
could we find the signs of an alien civilization around another star?
And could we find evidence for.
we know of all the landing took place on the Moon.
could we find the evidence for landing?
Another landing that was not ours.
That’s in principle a family need to do.
You could go through all of the Moon and energy data for unusual anomalies.
You should see Apollo 11.
12.
and so on.
One that shouldn’t be there would be very exciting.
I think that’s an example of something that would happen.
I would be as a chryrous.
chryver.
and research.
I think it’s not likely to yield something.
But worth the time of that.
you know.
it could be where someone’s time
they could figure out a way the world of that saw a critical data.
Could you use an AI for that?
For example.
searching a lunar surface.
is that going to have to be done manually?
Or can you just sift the data with an AI or machine learning and try and find something that way?
You would almost certainly use something kind of machine learning application for that.
You trained in all the data we kind of.
it’s not going to be something that
likely worked right out at the box.
but it’s a set of tools that people would like to use for that.
Now.
this would be the greatest discovery in human history.
So it seems worthwhile to do it.
but there’s also another aspect of this.
which is atmospheric science.
Many years ago.
there was a UFO researcher.
Dr.
James E.
McDonald.
who was also an atmospheric scientist.
an atmospheric physicist.
and it seems to me that this might be useful not only to look for
the reasons behind UAP.
but new science as far as atmospheric plasmus and things like that.
Do you expect that to be a fruitful area of research above and beyond trying to determine the origin of
UAP if they are technological?
I think it may turn out that a bunch of UAPs are some plasma atmospheric phenomena.
right?
That could certainly be.
I look at the history of things like sprites.
which is effectively
offered to all enlighten it.
It’s amazing.
I mean.
I would encourage UAP listeners to google
lightning sprites and see the incredible images that have been collected.
and those are things
that were reported by pilots.
and not believed.
and did only with improvements in imaging.
where people able to capture the sprites.
and they’re a fascinating atmospheric phenomena.
Definitely look at the images of sprites.
so could there be something out there like sprites
that there be something that we haven’t seen before that are rare events that things like all lightning
that we’ve been missing and could capture absolutely.
To me.
that may be one of the most exciting.
I think that’s a more likely outcome that we discover some novel visible phenomena.
Well.
I think that that’s a dual science thing because it’s open to anything.
where you could have a close techno signature left over
and on the moon and things like that.
So it seems to me to be as worthwhile as saidy.
You have to take a
look or you’re not going to find anything.
But you might.
by the way.
find something you weren’t aware of.
which is really good data on ball lighting or something like that.
So it just seems very worthwhile.
And they think you’re a witch.
right?
So someone from 1023 today’s world would seem completely bizarre.
So a step of a thousand years in technology is enormous.
and a million years is a thousand steps of a
thousand years.
So the idea that we should be looking for technologies that are similar to ours
for me seems naive.
which is why.
you know.
if you see something that likely looks like a slightly
more advanced drone.
it probably means that the military or someone else is slightly more advanced
drone than you realize.
not that there’s an alien ground out there.
If we were to see something that might
be incredibly advanced compared to us.
Well.
there’s no question because if an alien looks like
you.
it’s probably not an alien.
And the closer it is to you.
the harder it’s going to be to
prove that it’s an alien.
If you see.
if you see a technosignature.
150 light years away.
then that’s
that’s alien.
You can reason to believe say that.
But if it’s right here with you.
maybe it’s from your
planet somehow.
you know.
you never know.
the crowdsourcing could be relatively low cost.
I would imagine.
because you’re just using people’s cell phones for science.
So that’s a pretty cost-effective way of
doing it and everything.
That’s going to be a big data set though.
but wouldn’t you think?
James Webb is just getting cheaper.
So I think it might not be overwhelming.
but you can think
about all the images that you follow the data that say YouTube stores to pass it.
I think it’s a doable
problem at least in the past.
All right.
Dr.
Thank you for your time today and I look forward to some
actual results.
And that’ll be interesting to see.
Yep.
That’ll be fine.
Okay.
A pleasure talk.
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